Gentleman vs. Discrimination
Ladies and Gentlemen - and all the rest
The other day I made an interesting observation that I want to share with you:
It is a morning like every other else in Guayaquil beside the fact that today I'm going to ESPOL (the university where the official MC office is) instead of the Universtity Catholica where I usually go. That's why I have to take 2 buses instead of just one.
Point of the story is, that when I jumped out of the still driving bus (that's how they do it here) and walked to the station where all the buses start form heading to ESPOL there was a huge line of people in front of the bus. But then I realized that there wasn't just one que, there were 2 - in one stood only girls and in the other all the guys. Not knowing why they do so but instinctively identifying myself with the boys I qued in that line and waited till the busdriver openned the doors. And what do you expect, of course, first all the ladies got in the bus and then the seats that were left over got filled up with the guys...
Well I didn't really know what to think of that. I mean is it fair? Cause girls that arrive at the time when the girls line is getting in will get in before the guys that are waiting for much longer already... Is it the ecuadorian way of being a gentlemen? I don't know, cause that's acutally the only busstation where that happens. And there are only students. Sure, I'm not talking about getting up in the bus for an elderly lady or a women that is pregnant...
The same thing happens here in discos. In all the places there are prices for girls and boys. Girls often get in for free whereas boys have to pay 10 to 15$. Why is that?! It's not that girls wouldn't go out otherwise. Well, fair enough if all the drinks are for free once you are in - but otherwise (and that happens) men have to pay entrance fee AND the drink for the ladies afterwards...!
And then somebody is blaming that women don't get the same salary for the same work!
Well, I say, please get the same salary for the same work - that's nothing more then fair in my point of view - but then pay also the same entrance fee and every second drink for your gentleman please!
Otherwise we will never get equal rights - equal treatment...!
Don't be afraid or don't call my bold mtfkr who doesn't know how to treat women. Again, I'm not talking about the gentlemen stuff of openning the door for her, helping her into her jacket, telling her compliments and buying roses for her etc. Things that MEN DO FOR WOMEN and that DO NOT HAPPEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND! (I know that there are a few femal exceptions that I beg you sorry now that I'm generalising - I know you exist and I appreciate that a lot ;-))
Don't tell me now that I'm in a latin country - I know that! So what?! Is that latin correctness??
Don't tell me now that they are more traditional - that's not true! They are in a huge process of change and just like a big city and it's different people - part of the globalisation as well...
Don't tell me that men like doing so - the ones who have the money might not mind - but the majority doesn't... so what about these poor guys?!
People all around the globe - you know what - I had the same discussion alraedy back home - and it's just the same as over here.
The beautiful species just wants to have it all! More money, more rights but not loosing anyting.
More benefits but not ready to paying for it or doing the same things that the male species have to do for it.
I don't know, I don't hope any of my readers (especially female ones) are gonna hate me for that, I just wanted to bring the topic up, sharing my observations with you and listening to your opinion.
And if you don't understand CHALLENGE YOUR WORLDVIEW and give it a go - it's worth it ;-)
Above everyting, never forget that I love the female species
which might explain a lot...
The other day I made an interesting observation that I want to share with you:
It is a morning like every other else in Guayaquil beside the fact that today I'm going to ESPOL (the university where the official MC office is) instead of the Universtity Catholica where I usually go. That's why I have to take 2 buses instead of just one.
Point of the story is, that when I jumped out of the still driving bus (that's how they do it here) and walked to the station where all the buses start form heading to ESPOL there was a huge line of people in front of the bus. But then I realized that there wasn't just one que, there were 2 - in one stood only girls and in the other all the guys. Not knowing why they do so but instinctively identifying myself with the boys I qued in that line and waited till the busdriver openned the doors. And what do you expect, of course, first all the ladies got in the bus and then the seats that were left over got filled up with the guys...
Well I didn't really know what to think of that. I mean is it fair? Cause girls that arrive at the time when the girls line is getting in will get in before the guys that are waiting for much longer already... Is it the ecuadorian way of being a gentlemen? I don't know, cause that's acutally the only busstation where that happens. And there are only students. Sure, I'm not talking about getting up in the bus for an elderly lady or a women that is pregnant...
The same thing happens here in discos. In all the places there are prices for girls and boys. Girls often get in for free whereas boys have to pay 10 to 15$. Why is that?! It's not that girls wouldn't go out otherwise. Well, fair enough if all the drinks are for free once you are in - but otherwise (and that happens) men have to pay entrance fee AND the drink for the ladies afterwards...!
And then somebody is blaming that women don't get the same salary for the same work!
Well, I say, please get the same salary for the same work - that's nothing more then fair in my point of view - but then pay also the same entrance fee and every second drink for your gentleman please!
Otherwise we will never get equal rights - equal treatment...!
Don't be afraid or don't call my bold mtfkr who doesn't know how to treat women. Again, I'm not talking about the gentlemen stuff of openning the door for her, helping her into her jacket, telling her compliments and buying roses for her etc. Things that MEN DO FOR WOMEN and that DO NOT HAPPEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND! (I know that there are a few femal exceptions that I beg you sorry now that I'm generalising - I know you exist and I appreciate that a lot ;-))
Don't tell me now that I'm in a latin country - I know that! So what?! Is that latin correctness??
Don't tell me now that they are more traditional - that's not true! They are in a huge process of change and just like a big city and it's different people - part of the globalisation as well...
Don't tell me that men like doing so - the ones who have the money might not mind - but the majority doesn't... so what about these poor guys?!
People all around the globe - you know what - I had the same discussion alraedy back home - and it's just the same as over here.
The beautiful species just wants to have it all! More money, more rights but not loosing anyting.
More benefits but not ready to paying for it or doing the same things that the male species have to do for it.
I don't know, I don't hope any of my readers (especially female ones) are gonna hate me for that, I just wanted to bring the topic up, sharing my observations with you and listening to your opinion.
And if you don't understand CHALLENGE YOUR WORLDVIEW and give it a go - it's worth it ;-)
Above everyting, never forget that I love the female species
which might explain a lot...
posted by giogiovanni @ 6:11 PM
5 Comments:
At Saturday, July 01, 2006 12:25:00 AM ,
Sue and her thesis...:-) said...
Hmmm Gio, if I didn't know you quite well, I would think: "Oh my God, what kind of a man is this?"
And yes, you are right, that's true. I see this myself. On one hand, I want a guy to know the rules that a gentleman has to follow, and on the other hand, I am getting upset and don't feel respected, when a man wants to pay for everything, when a man is being too much gentleman..:-) Girls, you can never satisfy them!
But seriously: Maybe the latin guys don't like that so much, but one thing is, that they learned it like that, and they are comfortable with it, aren't they?And of course, the girls would never say that it's too much for them. I mean, why not getting free entrances and free drinks? ;-) I wouldn't say no!
But I still say: I am paying for every second drink and every second dinner! That's the way it has to be! But you guys have to know the rules of a gentleman...:-)
At Sunday, July 02, 2006 9:24:00 PM ,
Natalia Parashchenko said...
hm..Gio..as for the women and men rights..just visit Ukraine..you`ll see even more:) And you know, we are so used to those "treatments", that once I am in the bus standing, I think about "why that man is sitting, while seeing me standing?" It is true:)
But also sometimes have the feeling of understanding these things and (puedes creer?!) feel shame..So entering the bus, just try to look for the place to stand close to a girl/woman in order not to feel "begging"..And first wild guess about what can happen now? The man will call me to give me his sit!
In this case I think that it was HIS choose, coz he had the option..
At Monday, July 03, 2006 1:06:00 AM ,
Carissa )i( said...
Hey Gio :-)
Ah, this topic. How many countless times have I pondered on this one.
I agree with the things you say...we won't reach "equality" if girls always want to keep on being placed on a pedestal :-s Sure, I admit that it's nice because it makes you (a girl) feel special. And as a student, of course I'm glad if I can get in for free! But it's true that it's not fair. The guys always have to pay. Girls sometimes justify this with "We are the ones who have our period every month. We're the ones who get pregnant, we're the ones who have to shave our legs etc. So YES it's justified that we're treated nicer". But if you think about it, it's not right to talk like that (I also admit that I have said some of those things in the past. Okay, sometimes I still do for fun LOL But I still agree with you). About the guys "paying" for girls' drinks etc. : Once in a while, it can be a cute gesture. And if it's regarded as normal in a country, I usually accept it. "Do it like the Romans do", right? But at home, I'm more critical. It even makes me angry sometimes when my boyfriend insists on paying for my drink and for movie entrance fees for example. Because another way of looking at letting a guy pay for you all the time (at least in my opinion) is that you're kind of dependent on him. Or that you're using him. And it's also social pressure for a guy. I'm sure you've heard the saying that women are more materialistic than men. All those beautiful women marrying ugly RICH men (okay, when it comes to soccer players, they're usually good-looking and rich LOL). Clichés always have "einen wahren Kern" I guess :)
I remember having a discussion with one of our former trainees here. He's Pakistani. He told me that back home, women are valued very highly and treated like "queens" (I can't verify that so I just have to take that info as it is). What in his eyes was = treating a woman like a goddess, for me was equivalent to keeping her from being independent and keeping her on an invisible leash. Interesting how points of view can be different, but I love discussions like that. You always learn....
At Monday, July 03, 2006 3:16:00 AM ,
Jose Emilio Herrera said...
Well Giovanni, i'm ecuadorian and i feel "muy mal" about that, because i understand u, i knew a lot of people of europe and USA and they think that we thimk the women are less than us, so we do that things for them... Sorry but my english is so bad, anyway I'll write in spanish because i want u get the right point of ecuadorian view.
En mi caso, puedo decirte que siento tu descontento, yo tambien lo siento y me parece que las mujeres son tratadas asi porque piensan que son menos que los hombres, que no pueden hacer cosas que nosostros hacemos, y que tampoco son tan resistentes y fuertes como nocotros...
Es una total mentira, ella son mucho mas inteligentes, saben negociar, conocen y leen mas que los hombres, por lo general aprenden con facilidad, son mas detallistas, etc. En cualquier caso ellas podrian ser tratadas como los hombres pero ellas no quieren y el machismo de los hombres el obliga a ser dependientes de nosotros...
Mi mejor amiga piensa que los hombres debemos seguirlas invitando a comer y al cine y a otros lugares, pero solo nosotros, eso es injusto, ya que no ellas tambien lo pueden hacer pero sus padres las educaron asi, es decir dependientes de hombres, muchas de ellas solo esperan casarse pronto y tener un marido con mucha plata que las mantenga toda la vida...
Otro punto importante es porque ellas pagan menos en los bares? acaso ellas no toman? acaso ellas no bailan? acaso ellas no disfrutan igual que nosotros?
Creeme es muy complicado pensar donde termina el ser caballero y dodne comienza la discriminacion! hasta donde se llama cortecia y donde empieza la "lastima"...
Es un tema que me apasiona ucho y espero escribir un libro a cerca de esto, muchas de mis fuentes van a ser gente de Europa y algunos ecuatorianos tradicionalistas, para poder comparar los puntos de vista y saber que es cierto y mentira, para saber como se sienten las mujeres de ser tratadas asi.
Espero que la gente que lea esto entienda, y si no podemos hablar luego, bye
At Monday, July 03, 2006 9:57:00 PM ,
maja said...
Well regarding free entries for girls. Let's be honest mostly the guys go where the girls are. (The other way around it's not necessarily like that -Girls go for the dancing). Therefore entries for girls are free. That's an economic and psychologic principle, that every smart bar and club owner knows ;-)
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